you get disgruntled with you hear people like bill oreilly and sean hannity saying ron paul can't win. it every time he gets up to speak he draws a bigger crowds then obama or romney. the motion is amazing. i run into so many people -- you always hear they cannot win. if they could get more coverage other than c-span, c-span are the only people that are fair to third-party people compared to fox or cnn or ms nbc or any of the other ones. i wish more people would watch c-span and educate themselves to receive more votes. host: thank you for the call. one of your saying -- as we said earlier, ross perot sitting down for his first extended interview in many years. an interview conducted in plano, texas on thursday by richard wealth. they were agreeing to have our cameras in the room. it is a 70 minute conversation including david walker, who has been working with him on a number of initiatives to educate voters on issues in the election. the debt and deficit exceed $16 trillion. his article will appear tomorrow in usa today. we will show you an excerpt in just a moment. first some contex